[chargeragain]

I, for one would like to see an LSD option for this trans on my VT. ...and wouldn't mind going through the expense of installing it. Makes a huge difference in traction, regardless of tire and suspension mods. BTW, I'm running Pilot Supersport's and still get the thing to spin, whether it's in the corner or on launch (In FLORIDA). My last car had north of 370 RWHP and saw significant improvements all around after installing my Quaife.
...and I agree with the above remarks regarding why I bought this car. Personally, I consider it a hot hatch with the benefit of decent fuel economy and could care less what some magazine hack says or what Hyndai's intentions were. Why would they have installed larger brakes, a turbo, etc. if there wasn't some sort of intent to capture a part of that market. If not, then it's a clever ploy to get people like me to consider it over a car like the Mazdaspeed 3.

 

[Aintgonnahappn]

the vt isn't meant to be a hot hatch, hyundai has never said they meant it to be, they've actually said the opposite. The suspension and tires are definitely a big part of why it's not a hot hatch, the car is built to be comfortable to appeal to more people, read turbosocks' "after 2200 miles, why this car isn't a hot hatch" thread. the power of the VT just makes it more fun to drive, by your idea of performance oriented the new camry would be a performance oriented car since it's quicker in a straight line than the VT. It's not that this car is far away from being a hot hatch, it would only take a few changes to put it up there. Hyundai as a brand is m ore luxury oriented then performance

Your wrong. The cars mentioned at the press release and in multiple advertisements: GTI and civic si. You might not think its a hot hatch, but Hyundai thinks in direct competition with a hot hatch. And imho this car needs a complete rework of suspension, an lsd, better torque vectoring, and a turbo tuning solution before i put the money down!

If you need proof of advertising ill take a pick, just ask. If i still have that motortrend mag its in the month before last issue i believe.


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[Aeroscout977]

If the car is in direct competition of a true hot hatch then Hyundai needs to go back to the drawing board


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[Aintgonnahappn]

*decided to put elsewhere*

 

[The HACK]

Could you please name the high horsepower cars that do good without an LSD just fine

ANY BMW not in the ///M line-up.

 

[Aeroscout977]

Those high powered BMWs still have brake applied torque vectoring which acts as a LSD so that doesn't count. Nothing made this day in age has high power and a truly open diff.

 

[The HACK]

Those high powered BMWs still have brake applied torque vectoring which acts as a LSD so that doesn't count. Nothing made this day in age has high power and a truly open diff.

No they don't. The ONLY BMWs equipped with torque hectoring are the X6es and the new M5. What hey do have is an "e-diff" that's part of the stability control programming.

Torque vectoring is a completely DIFFERENT animal.

 

[Aeroscout977]

Actually "torque vectoring" is the task accomplished. Why some have decided to go with it as an official nomenclature is beyond me. The same basic task is accomplished with E-Diffs. Where an LSD seeks neutral torque output for the wheels, the more advances systems will seek the wheel with the most traction. The break down of the phrase is still correct with what I had stated.


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[The HACK]

Sigh...

Torque vectoring is the ability to send MORE power to the outside wheel when BOTH sets of tires are in contact with the ground. It is a very complicated, and EXPENSIVE way to ease turning into a corner. When the outside wheels receive more power, or turns faster than the inside wheel, while both wheel has full traction, the car naturally turns into the direction of travel in a middle of a turn. Hence the term torque vectoring, it is physically altering the torque split to change the vector of travel. Very, VERY complicated stuff.

Limited slip differentials, are not nearly as complicated. They send power to the wheel that is NOT slipping, as opposed to having the ability to spend power to the OUTSIDE wheel when both wheels have traction (although, in the case of a limited slip, it is most likely the OUTSIDE wheel that's not slipping). A HUGE, huge difference. e-Diffs on BMWs (and some other higher end vehicles) work by braking the inside wheel that's slipping to prevent power being sent to the slipping wheel in an open diff environment. I would be VERY surprised if the Veloster and Veloster turbo didn't already have this ability, since it is commonplace in most modern (re: 2005 and later) stability control algorithms (braking on the individual wheel to reduce wheel-spin).

Torque vectoring is NOTHING like a limited slip. It is the next logical evolution in limited slip technology. Saying BMW's open diff with e-LSD capabilities is torque vectoring, is like saying that a car that goes all 4 wheels off the ground as it crest over the hill is equal to FLYING. Believe you me, I've been a BMW fanboi for nearly 30 years (ever since the E30 came out). What BMW puts in their non-M cars is NOT torque vectoring.

 

[Aeroscout977]

Torque : - 1. force producing rotation

Vector : a. A quantity, such as velocity, completely specified by a magnitude and a direction.

You can play your BMW fanboy card all you want. Ill stick with my in Grand Am and custom race car building background. You're reading way to much into the name. It's not that important.


/pissingmatch


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[cbrmale]

The hack has torque vectoring and electronic diff control well explained and he's probably correct in their applications with BMWs. However I'm not sure torque vectoring is that complex or that expensive when Ford have used it on a range of their Focus turbo-diesel models, which are not expensive cars by any means (cheaper than a Veloster Turbo). The Veloster is supposed to have traction control according the brochure I read at the dealer yesterday, but mine did spin the left front wheel when I attempted a spirited take-off in the wet.

 

[Aeroscout977]

It's not considering its been around almost 2 decades now in entry level vehicles. Honda Prelude SH comes to mind. The fact if the matter is the transfer of power from one wheel to another is still torque vectoring.

lol


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[cubancaddy]

my vt kills the power to the spinning wheel when it spins on my car.. it even did it once with the traction control off.. it felt like the throttle just feathered itself, but I had my foot to the floor, believe me

 

[cbrmale]

I used to race motorcycles and have done track work testing racing cars, and I have fine throttle control so I tend to catch things like wheelspin and tail-out slides quicker than electronics can.

 

[Benny]

In Australia we have a Ford model G6ETurbo it's a single spinner it has 270kw stock we also have a Ford XR6Turbo same motor 270kw but it has a LSD they both have 538nm torque. G6ETurbo 0-100 5 sec flat 1/4 mile 12.9 Ford XR6Turbo 0-100 5.1 1/4 mile 13.1. I owned the G6ETurbo great straight but around a bend it would fry the inside tyres everytime. Also I had Pedders coilovers and sticky sticky tyres. Just my little say. But in Australia the VTs suspension has a different tune and I love the little bugger.

 

[Rotary24]

CBRMALE Dude u sound like a know it all someone that has an opinion on everything has owned everything & is the greatest at everything, seriously pull ur head in ur not superman mate


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[UHF3]

Can one of you Australian fellows post the part numbers for the springs and shocks for your VTs?

 

[NEVL666]

people are placing too much faith in an LSD.. a good set of tires and good suspension setup will make you not care about it. the biggest time an lsd helps is coming out of the corners.. yes it makes it so you can do 2 wheel burnouts instead of "one wheel peels" but it's not something that REALLY helps you going in a straight line.. There are many higher horsepower cars that don't have an lsd and do just fine (my car included)

the problem with an open diff is that the car cant put the power to the ground coming out of the corners; when the weight shifts to one side, the wheel with no weight on it goes crazy!

I've got into trouble more times on ice and snow with an LSD than I have with an open diff. An LSD will take you sideways on a slippery sloping road even at slowish speeds, while an open diff will just spin the one tire.

my vt kills the power to the spinning wheel when it spins on my car.. it even did it once with the traction control off.. it felt like the throttle just feathered itself, but I had my foot to the floor, believe me

I've felt that as well. I suspect you're going to lose something while all this 'interference' is going on, but it does the trick.

CBRMALE Dude u sound like a know it all someone that has an opinion on everything has owned everything & is the greatest at everything, seriously pull ur head in ur not superman mate

WOW, rein in the personal attacks buddy .. CBRMALE may seem like he knows it all, but he's spot on a high percentage of the time.

 

[UHF3]

In my opinion a true Hi-Po FWD vehicle will have LSD. Nothing wrong with the V or VT but they really aren't HiPo vehicles. When I replaced the open diff in my GSR with the ITR tranny (with LSD) the improvement in straight away traction and cornering traction was absolutely astounding.

Did the same thing in my 94 LS. A night and day difference. Didn't matter the road conditions dry, loose gravel, rain or snow. A true all around improvement.

 

[RPW00Mirage]

just wanted to say...

now that i've got better suspension, a rear bar, and slicks that an LSD is far from optional. it needs to be standard on this car in any competition element. even with the non-turbo, i'm getting TONS of inside tire wheel spin. my next venture will be stiffer springs and shocks to counteract, but the car will truly never shine without a proper LSD.

this is coming from a regionally competitive autocross driver with LOTs of trophies.