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Changing Dimension Speakers Part #1

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Gonna try this one last time.

Warning: This was the hardest speaker change out I have ever done in over 20 cars that I have done. You must not be faint of heart and must have at least average jury-rigging skills to do this successfully.:)

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This is the right front door before we start

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First step is to remove the outer door handle trim. See the small slot in the picture above, put a small screwdriver in there and pry the trim toward you. Once it starts to come pull the bottom toward you first and then swing it up until it pops off. When you put it back on you will have to put the top together first then bring the bottom down or it will not go back together.

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The picture above shows the door handle with the outer trim removed.

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In the above picture see the three 10mm recessed bolts, remove them.

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Next, you have to remove the small trim panel behind the door lever to access the hidden screw there. Put your small screwdriver in between the door lock button and the trim and sorta pry it toward you. It pops out real easy from that direction

Next, feel at bottom of the door trim. No Picture for these next steps. There is a small slot at the very bottom and middle. Place a padded screwdriver there and pull out. You will hear the little #$#ing plastic connectors start popping. Keep pulling the door panel out and up until they all pop free and the panel is hanging from the window sill. Lay on the ground, shine light up in between the panel and door and disconnect the wire clip to the window control.

Next lift the door panel free of the window seal. Reach behind and disconnect the tweeter wire and at the back or outer end of the door lever wires, there is a small little pinch clamp. Pinch that and those lever and lock cables come free. The panel can now be set aside for now.

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Above you can see the old speaker. As you can see it is riveted in place.

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Un-clip wire from the speaker and drill out rivets. You then have a blank speaker hole as above. You could easily put a 6 3/4 speaker there. Toss the old speaker, it is crap.

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My choice of new speakers. Infinity sounds really nice and will not break your wallet. I got all these at Sonic Electronix for less than $200.

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Old Speaker and new speaker backs. Look at the difference in magnets

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Old and new speaker fronts

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On all the speakers I cut the plugs off, spliced, and soldered extensions on. I soldered the wires to the new speakers.

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Above you can see the adapters for new speakers that come with speakers. WARNING there is only about 1 3/4 inch depth from door panel to window. These speakers are 1 and 3/4 inch depth. Using the adapter and foam on both sides gives you about 3/8 inch clearance. KNOW YOUR CLEARANCE or you can damage the window or speaker or both.

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Above is the new speaker in place. If these pictures post part 2 will be on what I did to replace tweeters.

Picking up where I left off. Still working on the right front door will show how I changed out the tweeter.

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Above you can see the back of the door panel. The tweeter basket is held in by two Phillips head screws. Remove the two screws and it will hang free.

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Then remove the tweeter wire from the clips on the door. There are 4 little plastic tabs holding the old tweeter in the basket. Using a jeweler's screwdriver gently pry those tabs up so the tweeter will slide out.

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Above you can see the old tweeter and the basket that I re-used.

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Above is the old tweeter, new tweeter, and basket

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Above is a close-up of the new tweeter, the old basket, and the crossover for the new tweeter. The new one-inch tweeter fits in the basket perfectly. The little tabs will not hold it in. I used a trick I have used in the past. I used a hot glue gun and high temp glue and just put a bead all the way around the back of the tweeter/basket. Holds it like a charm. You cannot pry it out. If you ever blow a tweeter then use a razor knife to cut glue off and you can re-use the basket again. You could epoxy or use regular glue but that would mean you could never use the basket again. Screw the basket back on the door panel. There is plenty of room for the crossover behind the panel so just put it where you want. I hot glued it to metal to keep it from rattling. Do not have pictures of that cause was having to hold the panel and glue it at the same time. Tried but could not hold the camera in my teeth.:D

Hold the door panel, attach the tweeter connector, pop the lock/lever mechanism back on and hang the door from the window sill. Reach under the panel and hook the window wire clip back. Turn the start switch on and roll the window up and down. Hopefully, the window will clear your new speaker. Note.....you cannot roll the window down from the driver's door unless the electrical clip is put back on the panel.

If your window clears, then reverse the removal process to put it back together. Start at the top and tap on the door to reset all, those %$&#ing plastic tabs. Put the hidden screw back in behind the door lever, and replace the 3 recessed bolts. Put the outer handle cover back on. Remember to put the top of the handle tab together first, press it together and tap to reset all the tabs.

Woot :) Your first door is done.

Part three will cover the driver's door and rear door

This part covers the driver's door and the right rear door. The driver's door is just like the right door except there are two hidden screws and two wire clips that have to be removed (window and mirror controls). The driver's door has a hidden screw, up behind the lever and another one inside the grip on the door. There is a little tab you have to pry up to get at it. Be very careful with that tab. It has a long tail that can break if you rough handle it. You can see the second hidden screw below.

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Other than the two wire clips and the second hidden screw it is just like the other side.

The right rear door has no outer handle trim to pull off. There is a hidden screw inside the handle like on the driver's door and behind the little triangle piece at the rear of the window. That little triangle piece just pops off like the front one and is no issue to pop back on.

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Remove the rear door panel just like the front one after you remove the Phillips head screws. Start at the bottom, pry toward you till it hangs from the window sill, reach behind and remove the window control wire, and just lift it off. Above is what you see. Again, the speaker is riveted in.

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Above is a close-up of the rear door with old speaker.

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Rear door with new adapter in place. Again, only about 1 3/4 inch between the window when down and the door panel. You will need shallow-mount speakers or an adapter to give some space.

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My soldered-in wire splice for new speakers. I always solder in new speakers, you could use clips if you want but I was told once that since the back of speakers is exposed to high humidity in the door that the clips can corrode and you do not get as good a connection. I have actually seen this so I always solder now.

Replace the door panel in reverse order. That right rear door is really the easiest.

Part # 4 will be the dash center speaker.

This part covers the center dash speaker. Advise you to cover your dash with towels around the speaker grill so you do not accidentally scratch or burn your dash if you solder the speaker in.

Use a small padded screwdriver and go around the edge, pry up the speaker grill. Do not do all of one side first or you might break the tabs on the grill. Go around the edges and incrementally pry it up.

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The next two pictures are taken through the windshield so not of good quality. As you can see speaker bracket is held in with two Phillips Head screws. You will need a shorty Phillips driver to get them out as the dash is very low.

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Remove the screws, lift the speaker, and disconnect the wire and you have a hole in the dash as above. Save this speaker, you can re-use the metal bracket part. Do not damage the dust screen either as you can re-use it also.

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Above is the old speaker and my new one. Note how small the bracket is on the new one. It would fall through the hole in the dash even though the speaker itself is the same size. First, remove the old dust screen gently so you can reuse it. I cut the magnet away from the actual bracket by cutting all those tabs with tin snips. Then I smooth out sharp edges with a small grinder and now I have the original top part of the bracket to re-use.

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Above is my modded bracket and my new speaker.

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Another view above

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Above you can see I drilled two holes and mounted my new speaker in the old modified bracket. The old dust screen is beside the new mounted speaker.

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Above you can see the new speaker in the old modded bracket. I hot glued the old dust screen back on the new speaker to keep dust out of the speaker.

Easy now...just do a wire extension, attach to the new speaker and screw back in the dash. Tap the grill back down and it is done. The new center speaker makes the car bitches voice sound much younger......I think I could fall in love with her.:eek:

This ends part #4. Now comes the part to separate the men from the boys.....The left rear speaker in part #5

Okay....here we go. I saved the best (not) for last. Part #5 will separate the men from the boys. Changing the left rear speaker..... I will tell you upfront. This is not easy. You have to remove the whole bottom part of your rear seat and take it out of the car to do this.

Are you ready.....two shots of tequila are recommended at this time....here we go.

Removing seat bottom from the car:

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Fold your back seats down. Under the seat right in middle is a 12mm bolt that holds down a ....will call it a U-catch....In the picture above you can see mine are rusty.....now why are they rusty when nothing else in the car is rusty....hmmm. Anyway remove the bolt on each side and the U-catch that holds the back of the rear seat bottom is free.

Fold the seat back up. Reach in the car and with a little jerk pull up on the left side of the seat bottom. You will feel the plastic retainer pop free...repeat on the right side and the whole seat bottom will now lift up and you can pull it out of the car. I was physically nauseated at this point. From being nervous I was ruining the seat or from the Tequila, I do not know. :D

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Above see the back seat removed.

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Above see the very bottom of the left panel. There is a little tab with a Phillips head screw remove it.

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As seen above, remove the plastic trim on the driver's side door beside the seat by starting at the front and popping the tabs free.

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Then as seen above.....Start at the lower front left edge and start popping the left panel free working your way back and up. I did not completely remove this panel as it would require removing all of the back seat. When you pop it out there is room to work behind it.

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View of the panel popped free from the rear.

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View of the old speaker in its bracket attached to the car. As you can see if you pull the panel toward you there is room to work without totally removing the panel.

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Above is the old speaker in the bracket removed from the car.

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Above is my new speaker in the old bracket. Redo your wiring and re-install the bracket. Replace everything in reverse order and .............yes you are done!!!!!:)

Now for the good part. Park the car in shade, roll up the windows, 2 more shots of Tequila....and the test. There is one song that is better than any other for testing a stereo system. With all the acoustic instruments, bass, and percussion it is an exquisite test. Get a copy of the Acoustic version of the Eagles' "Hotel California" from their "Hell Freezes Over CD" Put that in, close your eyes, and let it play. Damn, that sounds so much better than the stock speakers...you cannot imagine. Need to do that subwoofer soon though.

I hope this helps some of you in your own replacement project. The stock speakers really are not very good. Good Luck.

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Wife took this of me passed out in my V after the speaker change. I was celebrating with the music and the rest of the Tequila......:D
 
#66 · (Edited)
JL Audio XD700/5 now completely wired sitting on the passenger floor so I can tweak the knobs and, possible, adjust the input wiring. Currently I'm using the 4 channel input mode but I'm also going to try strapping the inputs of the rear speakers to the sub inputs using "Y" adapters and changing to 6 channel input mode to see if that produces a cleaner sound.

After about a half hour of fiddling with the knobs I'm really digging the effortless bass that goes into the basement where it belongs (I like it realistic, not a rolling BOOM BOX you can hear from the next block).

I can already tell I'm going to have to order some RAAMMat to cover most of the metal surfaces and the whole outside of the Factory SUB Box.

Photo update soon.
 
#67 ·
Changed to 6 channel input mode using "Y" adapters connecting the left rear to the left sub and right rear to the right sub inputs. The bass response is tighter so I'm going to leave it this way.

Still adjusting the knobs looking for the best sound.
 
#68 ·
Dawgster, thank you so much for your DIY! A friend and I installed everything exactly according to your DIY. Same speakers, same everything. It all went very smoothly.

Thanks to DANP2000 for the wiring colors - that also helped very much!

Overall, I'm very happy with the sound from the Infinity's. Yes, I'm sure you can do better, but they are a definite improvement. I couldn't believe how cheap the "PREMIUM DIMENSION" speakers were once I felt them in my hand.

To be fair, they sound better than they look!
 
#70 ·
I just rocked the install, the OP gets much praise for the write up. I am tackling the Sub now. I have a McLaren MLM-8100 sitting in closet. I was trying to find out what the rated ohms were. I went with rockford fosgates with the other speakers. Should I go with the 8ohm duals or 4ohm duals???
 
#72 ·
I can see why you say it's the hardest speaker replacement you've done. Thanks for the write up!


But just so you know the stock speakers are neodymium:

Neodymium is the newest material being used for speaker magnets. Price-wise they fall between Alnico and ceramic magnet speakers. These speakers respond to a player's touch much like Alnicos and they have a well balanced frequency response. The major advantages of these magnets are weight and efficiency. A neodymium speaker weighs about 50% less than other speakers without giving up power or tone. Neodymium speakers are especially good in large, heavy amplifiers or amplifiers that have more than two speakers.

http://www.neodymiumloudspeakers.com/

Neodymium Loudspeakers have several advantages over traditional ceramic magnet designs. Typically they are much lighter and more powerful than conventional speakers which use ferrite, Alnico or Samarium Cobalt magnets. Neodymium speakers often have motors that use a small cylindrical slug or ring magnet that is encased in a low carbon steel pot structure. The magnetic flux which is already more than 10 times higher than any other material is concentrated across the "gap" where the voice coil moves back and forth. The strength of the motor (BxL) increases so efficiency goes up and the whole magnetic structure becomes more compact. Typically Neo speakers have the additional benifit of not causing any (EMI) interference from stray magnetic flux so by definition they are video shielded. Neodymium magnets are part of the material science of the future with applications growing everyday. One example is the fast growing earbud market. Neo has made it possible to essentially shrink down headphones to sizes that will fit inside your ears. In addition they are also efficient enough to produce high volume sound from small battery powered devices with low amplifier output such as walkmans, MP3 players , laptops and cell phones.
 
#74 ·
There is no substitute for mass. If you listen to any V stock system then an upgraded one the difference will be obvious.

Just Saying'.
 
#77 ·
I've already upgraded my system with the exact Infinity speakers of the OP. I'm willing to install an amp if I have to, but would prefer using the original enclosure. I might just use my Infinity Perfect 12" in a sealed box I've had sitting around since my last car. (had a truck before this) I just cherish my trunk space, so it's tough to go for it.
 
#78 ·
I will be installing the Infinity Reference Series throughout the rest of the car next week. Unfortunately, I couldn't find an eight in dual-voice coil sub made by Infinity. Please let me know how the Infinity 12 sounds. So far the 8 is doing a great job. I am like you - I don't want to lose any cargo space if I can help it.
 
#79 ·
The Perfect 12 (not available anymore) is amazing for high quality, non-punchy bass. I don't roll like a gangsta, so I prefer quality over SPL. I may just get an amp and hook it up...and when I absolutely need the trunk space, take it out. We'll see.

I'm putting in a Hella Supertones car horn in a couple days...the stock horn is EMBRARRASING.
 
#82 ·
This is a great addition to the thread. (Sarcasm included intentionally)

Of course my addition here could be considered the same. ;)
 
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#83 ·
Just want to say thanks to the OP. I just replaced my speakers with the same Infinity models. I got all mine for $195 via Amazon. I have an extra center speaker if someone wants to save a couple bucks you can buy it from me. (email me if interested at preston2k@gmail.com)

Took me just under 7 hours to install. It isn't all that hard, especially with the help from this thread. If you can solder and have replaced speakers previously then I think you'll be fine. This would be a nightmare for a first timer. Take your time and plan to spend ~8 hours for the job.

I replaced with the OP's choice of Infinity speakers. I didn't want to mess with depth and whether this or that would fit. Honestly, for under $200 I don't think you can do much better than these. My two cents on the quality difference is:

Original Style Package Dimension Audio
Bass = 9 (For stock I was surprised how well bass response was)
Mids = 7
Highs = 4

Infinity Speakers w/ stock Subwoofer
Bass = 8
Mids = 8
Highs = 9

Good Luck and thanks again OP.
 
#84 ·
Just a quick mention that when I had my subwoofers put in the car they also put in a 4 channel amp to power the Dimension speakers. They actually sound great and get really loud. If I blow then I will eventually replace the stock speakers but they are really working well with just the 4 channel amp. I have never done this type of set up but it sounds amazing.
 
#85 ·
So i have a question for anyone who has replaced the whole speaker setup including the sub. Did the bass response or loudness drop or increase?

I saw someone on here say that it was sounding like it was running out gas, well that was because you had a JL that was 3 times the size in power. Probably if
you had one closer to the stock range say 100-150 watts RMS it would've sounded a bit better.

Any thoughts?
 
#87 ·
Actually, I believe I made the quote you are referring to and below are my thoughts.

I have the DIMENSION system.

FYI, I replaced the Factory Sub Driver with a JL 8W3v3-4 which has a fairly low power requirement.

I don't think the Factory Amp output is more than 40 watts because that is the max the sub box says the sub can take (I think that's what I remember it said, I was shocked it was so low though I'm not sure why), it's written right on the side of the sub box. Also, the factory driver is a dual voice coil unit that is hooked directly to the rear mid-range drivers.

I'm working from knowledge and physical inspection NOT speculation.
 
#88 ·
The same Infinity models are hardly to get in Germany and the shipping fee from Amazon.com seems to expensive.
There are a few other speakers with similar dimension as the Infinity models and so I read some tests, go to some dealers and hear the one or other.

I buyed than ESX SE6.2C for the front system and ESX SE62 for the rear system.

Today I replaced the stock front speakers of my V (no Tech). Not so hard to do as I feared, but I'm very careful and so it needs it's time.
Perhaps I replace the rear speakers tomorrow, but may be I do it the next weekend if I'm to lazy. ;)

The stock speakers are realy crap, i use a dremel to remove the stock speakers from there mounting rings and reused the rings for my ESX.
They fit perfect and there sound is great, there efficiency is very good (so I could use the stock head unit without an external amplifier still for a while).

The next project (after replacing the rear speakers) is perhaps an Subwoofer (active?)
 
#89 ·
Realized today that the driver door tweeter on my 4 day old used V (12k miles) is not functioning, and the passenger door tweeter is very scratchy. I bought one set of infinity 2 channels from the OP and one set of tweeters. Hopefully the issue with the left tweeter is a loose connection or a bad unit. I dont want to track down wires farther into the dash.
 
#93 ·
After drilling new holes and tapping 8/32 threads into the door metal I used 8/32 Stainless Steel Truss Head Machine Screws with 3/4" #8 Stainless Steel Fender Washers. I left the rivets in place and just drilled their tops off.
 
#97 ·
hi all, got my veloster a few months ago as my graduation present and i absolutely love it, i think the quality and volume of the system could be sooo much better and it was actually worse when i first go the car. after a few weeks of blasting my music the quality seems to have gotten a bit better in that i dont hear a crackling anymore. maybe the speakers wore in, maybe my tweeters are dead, i honestly cant really tell. but i have the most basic of velosters, no sunroof, no fog lights, no dimension audio system. so just the tweeters and the mids in the doors. i am going to be installing an amp and probably two 8" subs, as well as replacing all of the speakers. would my car already have the necessary leads for the amp? would i have to run all of my own leads from the head unit, to the amp, then to every single speaker? right now my moms 2009 prius packs better volume and clarity than my veloster...not fair...PLEASE HELP!