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    NAV (Non-Turbo) Remorse

    Recently bought a '13 NAV Phantom Black Pearl with Style package. It is a beautiful car.

    As the months have passed this car is just too slow for me. I knew a turbo model existed, but I thought I could be modest.

    I have already made the decision to trade up for a turbo when I can.

    I realized I expected too much from the base model.

    Have you traded up for a turbo and why? How much did you get for the base and how old was it when traded in?

    Also, if you've kept your NAV, what is the personal appeal over the turbo model? (I.E. I think the NAV looks cleaner, and the panoramic sunroof is great) This is non-judgmental. I'd really like to hear positive reinforcement of the NAV.

    Thanks!

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    i traded up from a '12 nav to a '14 turbo. i liked the turbo way better (and they had it in the color i wanted) and it had nicer seats and creature comforts. the nav was awesome, factory freak and tuned/head turner. but i wanted a little more. would have kept it otherwise as it was a great car. i didn't care for the sparkly red.
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    Thanks for the reply. I have read many past posts about your NAV when considering a tune.

    I have an AEM CAI. A Megan cat-back that has been back ordered 3 months is coming soon. I have the intake spacer from Shark Racing to install, just out of curiosity really.

    The "Street" package from Pierce Motorsports is installed.

    I was going to take this car all the way, originally. Till it hit me that the greatest performance modification is trading in and making payments on a turbo instead lol.

    My NAV is beautiful with black on black Rally Armor mud flaps. I will get pictures up on this site soon. I am surprised I see very few Velosters with Rally Armors. They look great on the car.

    Please anyone chime in about trading up to a turbo or keeping the NAV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by capeside View Post
    Recently bought a '13 NAV Phantom Black Pearl with Style package. It is a beautiful car.

    As the months have passed this car is just too slow for me. I knew a turbo model existed, but I thought I could be modest.

    I have already made the decision to trade up for a turbo when I can.

    I realized I expected too much from the base model.

    Have you traded up for a turbo and why? How much did you get for the base and how old was it when traded in?

    Also, if you've kept your NAV, what is the personal appeal over the turbo model? (I.E. I think the NAV looks cleaner, and the panoramic sunroof is great) This is non-judgmental. I'd really like to hear positive reinforcement of the NAV.

    Thanks!
    I bought my Boston Red Veloster in April 2012 and was never really disappointed. I loved the looks of the car and driving it (I have a manual with style and tech packages) was a blast. There were only rumors of a coming turbo for the 2013 model year when I ordered it back in December of 2011. So after seven-plus years of owning it, have I ever wanted a more powerful engine? Sure, but not always. I've learned to drive it and shift it to maximize the power it has. The car does everything else I need it to do, including looking better than anyone else's. Plus, since Hyundai redesigned the Veloster for 2019 (and poorly, I might add), I still have the best car for me. It's just personal, and that's true for all of us. If you feel the need to upgrade, go for it.

    I recently toyed with the idea of getting a pickup truck just because I figured it would be great for gardening purposes. But because I only occasionally would need the utility of a truck for that, I decided to keep the Veloster. It's been dependable and it's comfortable, now practically a part of me.
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    Traded a fully loaded 2013 NAV for a 2015 VT (no sunroof or backup sensors). If you're on the fence about it, take one out for a test drive.

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    Plot twist: I have disconnected the upper clutch sensor and it has freed up useable power in the low to mid range. The difference is remarkable, and the engine responds much quicker and no lag between 1 - 2 shifts. The motor moves quite a bit, and this is what I've read described as the "choppy" feeling associated with this mod. I have Torque Solution inserts, and the engine movement is still a little too much for me. I have coming a SXTH Engineering aftermarket lower mount with the stiffest "race" bushing to reduce the new engine movement in the lower gears, and get all that extra power to the ground. Ideally, and theoretically... I'm just casual with this stuff. Cruise control does not work this mod, so consider that.

    I urge anyone with a NAV who may want more throttle response to disconnect the upper clutch sensor. There are threads about it on this site. I'm not liable for anything! If anyone has any knowledge of potential long term detrimental effects, please share, I do not wish to spread information that can damage someone's car. From my understanding this mod is safe.

    Also, I ordered a Megan cat-back 3 months ago. They did not list it as back ordered. It is coming soon now though.

    So I may keep the NAV a bit longer, but I will def test drive a turbo. We'll see...

    Thanks for all the replies. Your cars look great. I'll get pics up of mine soon.

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    I did the clutch switch mod also, and rigged a switch to turn it off when on the highway so I can still use cruise. I wish I had taken pictures but I didn't. The switch is a push on/push off style in behind one of the blank plates on the switch pod to the left of the steering wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capeside View Post
    Plot twist: I have disconnected the upper clutch sensor and it has freed up useable power in the low to mid range. The difference is remarkable, and the engine responds much quicker and no lag between 1 - 2 shifts. The motor moves quite a bit, and this is what I've read described as the "choppy" feeling associated with this mod. I have Torque Solution inserts, and the engine movement is still a little too much for me. I have coming a SXTH Engineering aftermarket lower mount with the stiffest "race" bushing to reduce the new engine movement in the lower gears, and get all that extra power to the ground. Ideally, and theoretically... I'm just casual with this stuff. Cruise control does not work this mod, so consider that.

    I urge anyone with a NAV who may want more throttle response to disconnect the upper clutch sensor. There are threads about it on this site. I'm not liable for anything! <img src="https://www.veloster.org/forum/images/smilies/tongue.png" border="0" alt="" title="" class="inlineimg" /> If anyone has any knowledge of potential long term detrimental effects, please share, I do not wish to spread information that can damage someone's car. From my understanding this mod is safe.

    Also, I ordered a Megan cat-back 3 months ago. They did not list it as back ordered. It is coming soon now though.

    So I may keep the NAV a bit longer, but I will def test drive a turbo. We'll see...

    Thanks for all the replies. Your cars look great. I'll get pics up of mine soon.
    Have you ever thought about getting a turbo kit for your NAV?
    There's a couple of kits out there that look good and will also include an ECU tune with the kit.

    Since you've done all of these other mods already the turbo kit would be way cheaper than getting a new VT with higher payments and insurance costs.

    I've done pretty much all of the mods you've listed including the clutch switch.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned deleting the slave cylinder spring valve for quicker response in the engagement of the clutch. You'll need a manual tranny to do that but the mod will save your clutch from unnecessary wear and perform like a performance clutch.

    Good luck with your car and hope you make the right decisions. &#x1f44d;

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    Quote Originally Posted by misnblu View Post
    Have you ever thought about getting a turbo kit for your NAV?
    There's a couple of kits out there that look good and will also include an ECU tune with the kit.

    Since you've done all of these other mods already the turbo kit would be way cheaper than getting a new VT with higher payments and insurance costs.

    I've done pretty much all of the mods you've listed including the clutch switch.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned deleting the slave cylinder spring valve for quicker response in the engagement of the clutch. You'll need a manual tranny to do that but the mod will save your clutch from unnecessary wear and perform like a performance clutch.

    Good luck with your car and hope you make the right decisions. &#x1f44d;
    Interested in the slave cylinder spring valve delete, hard to do?
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    the slave is in the bell housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPW00Mirage View Post
    the slave is in the bell housing.
    It's in the hydraulic line going into the slave cylinder.
    I'll be doing this tomorrow and put together a how to.
    Can't wait. &#x1f602;&#x1f44d;
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    Here is the spring valve I was talking about in the slave cylinder.
    I didn't have time to do this but had purchased one to take apart and get an idea of what's involved and it's exact location.
    I should have time tomorrow to do this and give a review/ how to.

    You can see how restrictive this is and how engagement of the clutch would be delayed. That's unnecessary wear and tear for sure.
    Hope nobody minds this in their thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misnblu View Post
    Here is the spring valve I was talking about in the slave cylinder.
    I didn't have time to do this but had purchased one to take apart and get an idea of what's involved and it's exact location.
    I should have time tomorrow to do this and give a review/ how to.

    You can see how restrictive this is and how engagement of the clutch would be delayed. That's unnecessary wear and tear for sure.
    Hope nobody minds this in their thread.
    Looking forward to the how to...I'll have to add this to the summer "jobs that keep me from household duties" list
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    Hello if you wanna see some cool video and mods about the veloster please check my channel and support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8MZ9aVsHrU&app=desktop

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    Well here's the how to on the spring valve delete.
    You'll have to move your air box out of the way to get access to the slave cylinder.
    I did not have to remove the slave cylinder and did this in about an hour.

    First picture you'll need a 12mm socket to remove the bolt that holds the hydraulic line tight. Once removed the hydraulic line has room to move around making things much easier.

    Second picture is the hydraulic line you want to remove from the banjo bolt assembly. Use a 11 mm wrench or a 7/16 hydraulic line wrench as seen in the next picture.
    Remove the hydraulic line and cap it off so you lose as little fluid as possible. See 4th picture for capped line.

    Next you want to use a 16 mm wrench to loosen the banjo bolt and remove the fitting from the slave cylinder. You'll lose a little fluid but no big deal.
    I put a rag underneath all this to keep fluid from getting on the floor.

    Next picture (5) you'll see what I used to remove the spring valve from the slave cylinder.
    You can use a paper clip to remove it and it's pretty easy.

    Once removed put the banjo assembly back together but don't torque it down just yet.
    Screw the hydraulic line back into the banjo fitting and then use two 16 mm wrenches to torque the banjo bolt back down.
    The second 16 mm is used to keep the banjo body from turning while you tighten up the bolt and keeps from bending the hydraulic line.

    Then tighten up the hydraulic line and get ready to bleed the slave cylinder.

    The next couple of pictures shows you how to do this and you'll need a 10 mm wrench to loosen the bleed screw.
    I use gravity bleeding and works quite well.
    Make sure you route the hose high and then down so the the bubbles can go up before the fluid drains into the bottle below.
    Add fluid as needed and tighten the bleed screw once or twice to depress the clutch pedal several times to get all of the air out.

    Once you see no more bubbles tighten down the bleed screw and you're done.

    Take it for a test drive and you'll immediately feel a better uptake on the clutch. Down shifts are much improved for rev matching and heel/ toe is like it should be.
    This is a great mod and hope this helps. &#x1f44d;

    Feel free to ask any questions if needed.
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    Thanks! I was always under the impression it was tougher from the turbo forum. Will be doing this soon for sure.
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    Cool stuff - thanks for the write up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlb View Post
    I bought my Boston Red Veloster in April 2012 and was never really disappointed. I loved the looks of the car and driving it (I have a manual with style and tech packages) was a blast. There were only rumors of a coming turbo for the 2013 model year when I ordered it back in December of 2011. So after seven-plus years of owning it, have I ever wanted a more powerful engine? Sure, but not always. I've learned to drive it and shift it to maximize the power it has. The car does everything else I need it to do, including looking better than anyone else's. Plus, since Hyundai redesigned the Veloster for 2019 (and poorly, I might add), I still have the best car for me. It's just personal, and that's true for all of us. If you feel the need to upgrade, go for it.

    I recently toyed with the idea of getting a pickup truck just because I figured it would be great for gardening purposes. But because I only occasionally would need the utility of a truck for that, I decided to keep the Veloster. It's been dependable and it's comfortable, now practically a part of me.

    I'm in the same boat as you, 2012, before the turbos were even a reality, and like you a 6MT, that's one thing i insisted on being such a small engine, pretty much all about RPM's and maximizing my fun, i still love the car, but like you i want a truck also, i had an older ford that some big dummy ran into this winter, so i ended up getting another, 2016 ram, with the 4x4 with the hemi, Big horn edition, i love it, still have the Veloster, i will probably die with it, only has like 28000 miles on it... I don't drive it in nthe winter, i have a beater for that, so it will last forever really.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Energized View Post
    I'm in the same boat as you, 2012, before the turbos were even a reality, and like you a 6MT, that's one thing i insisted on being such a small engine, pretty much all about RPM's and maximizing my fun, i still love the car, but like you i want a truck also, i had an older ford that some big dummy ran into this winter, so i ended up getting another, 2016 ram, with the 4x4 with the hemi, Big horn edition, i love it, still have the Veloster, i will probably die with it, only has like 28000 miles on it... I don't drive it in nthe winter, i have a beater for that, so it will last forever really.




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    Nice Truck! People go about Fords and Chevys, but when it comes to engines a big Hemi is the way to go.
    My younger brother has the same and I'm kinda jealous of it! As my priorities change over the years plus I got a family, suddenly I need more room as I bought a pontoon boat and planning to get some kayaks, so the little Veloster I got is great for doing errands, it's everything else, but hauling things. I've been looking at SUVs and trucks and can't make up my mind yet, if it's a truck then it has to be extended cabin. After I saw my brother just throwing those 'yaks in the back of the truck, no need to deal with roof racks or what if I get a boat lol, I need to tow that and the veloster is out of question lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankonero View Post
    Nice Truck! People go about Fords and Chevys, but when it comes to engines a big Hemi is the way to go.
    My younger brother has the same and I'm kinda jealous of it! As my priorities change over the years plus I got a family, suddenly I need more room as I bought a pontoon boat and planning to get some kayaks, so the little Veloster I got is great for doing errands, it's everything else, but hauling things. I've been looking at SUVs and trucks and can't make up my mind yet, if it's a truck then it has to be extended cabin. After I saw my brother just throwing those 'yaks in the back of the truck, no need to deal with roof racks or what if I get a boat lol, I need to tow that and the veloster is out of question lol!
    Yeah, i was in the same predicament, i opted for the quad cab, Dodge also has Crew cab which is a little bigger and then a mega cab too...lol But like you i needed the ability to haul stuff and maybe pull a boat soon, getting older and i enjoy that, gotta think ahead to retirement, another dozen years or so. Also think the Ram is a good looking vehicle, it rides so nice, tons of power and amenities, i'm very happy with both my newer vehicles now.
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