Class Action Suit Against Hyundai filed November 4

[ghostndragon]

That being said, when shopping the VTurbo, I was considering several other brands that had significant HP and grin factor advantages over the VT but passed due to the advertised 5MPG difference on combined between the VT with a 30-70% mix of city/hwy (and the city portion is really suburbs/rural not true stop and go city) versus the others. As it turns out, my VT is averaging the same as my neighbor's MazdaSpeed 3 (24-25MPG hand calculated weekly) with him driving it like he stole it and me running around in the ECO setting and accelerating like a grandma. If I jump on it for a short blast or 2 during the week, my MPG dips down to 20-21. To me a 5-10MPG difference between advertised and reality is justification to be a little pissy especially when I rarely put the turbo to any use and the reimbursement is for only 1 MPG so I am being reimbursed for only 10%-20% of my additional fuel cost due to their "error". (For those that say it is all driver, please read the next section before pushing me down that particular rabbit hole.



Actually, I have. Nearly 50 years old here and have met or exceeded (sometimes by a lot) the EPA estimates on every new car I have owned with zero exceptions. To add more, this is my second new Hyundai. My first was a 2006 Sonata LX with the 3.3L v6 (220+HP) and auto. Advertised EPA estimates were 20/30 with a combined of 25. Along the same commute that I take now over the previous 18 months I averaged 27.5 MPG in the bigger/heavier Sonata. On road trips I typically got 34-35 MPG (versus the EPA advertised estimate of 30). On my one and only road trip thus far with the VT, I took care to fill up just outside of Indy and again before I hit Chicago so that I could get a feel for "open highway" MPG. With no traffic and straight through cruise control I averaged a measly 27.9 which is one-tenth lower than the newly revised "combined" estimate for the VT and 6.1 MPG lower than the "corrected" Highway estimate.

Turn off ECO. It's worthless, and often results in poorer fuel economy if you don't drive perfectly. Second--I really am sorry that you're getting cruddy gas mileage. That being said, the car is capable of doing what you want it to do. There's no reason you should be getting that terrible mileage if you never kick in your turbo. The ECO might be the problem. Or you might need to fine-tune your shifting. Third--unless you drive both the Mazda Speed and the Veloster and directly compare them, you can't compare fuel economy between them. Two different driving styles--shifting, acceleration, etc. It may be that you'd get as cruddy mileage on the Speed. Or, it could be the ECO. Fourth--the Mazda 3 sucks. Tin box on crappy wheels. Don't be fooled. You might be able to drive it like you stole it, but if you like a ride that doesn't feel like a railroad car, you're not missing anything. Finally--how fast were you going on your open road fuel test trip? If it was over 50 mph, expect to get lower fuel economy. If you had a head or crosswind of more than 10 mph, expect to get lower fuel economy. If you put it on cruise and had any significantly hilly areas, expect to get lower fuel economy. Any one or a combination of these things adds up to lower fuel economy. I've made a few trips to Sioux Falls, SD from Minneapolis. With low/no wind and averaging 60-65 mph on the highway, I can easily get 36-37 mpg (no, it's not 40 mpg, but I'm not going 50 mph). With a 25-30 mph crosswind or headwind (far too common--one of the reasons I hate making trips to SD), I'm lucky to hit 30-33 mpg. On the other hand, my boyfriend and I packed my V FULL of camping stuff and headed to north central Nebraska, where the terrain is QUITE hilly, averaging 70+ mph on the highways, with a crosswind that I estimated to be a pretty steady 30 mph, and we still got 30.5 mpg. I always calculate by hand, too, so no computer error.

[RoC1909]

who is exceeding the MPG for a N/A. Ive never met someone who has and I've never beaten or even met the stickered numbers.

I can tell you that I never have. I don't drive much, but on the few occasions that I have, I am about 7 miles off highway, and 2-3 off city.

[Drew.87]

I have had my Veloster since March 2 and put over 14k miles on it. What did I get. $53.78. I think its a little weak. I not talking about suing but something better that $53.78. I bought the car for work with all the traveling i do. Kinda pisses me off since the 1st week i never got the millage they talked about.

[milo]

I have had my Veloster since March 2 and put over 14k miles on it. What did I get. $53.78. I think its a little weak. I not talking about suing but something better that $53.78. I bought the car for work with all the traveling i do. Kinda pisses me off since the 1st week i never got the millage they talked about.

so you broke the car in the first week?

Wow, I didn't get the improved mileage till after about 1500 miles.

[Renesis Rotary]

These cars are capable of meeting and exceeding EPA estimates....There are two major factors though. Driving Style and environment. Ideally all of us would live in flat un-congested environments that would allow us to maximize fuel efficiency. Me personally, i live in a very hilly area and i encounter quite a few stop signs/traffic lights. When i have open road though, i tend to shift at just over 2k with moderate throttle across the board. I also downshift in most cases and or allow the car to slow down naturally (in gear and off throttle...)...Remember, no fuel is being used off throttle (unless you're idling or slightly above).....

[JCORSON]

i just drove from pottsville to pittsburg and back( for the pittsburg vs ravens game) and averaged 38.8 mpg. if the speed limit was 55 i was doing about 57, if the speed limit was 65 i was doing about 67. cruise on the entire way. with the amount of driving in traffic and in the city i did i dont think 38.8mpg is bad at all.

i had 29k miles when i registered my mileage and will be getting about $250 reimbursed. which in my opinion is awesome. thats 5 FREE tanks of gas.

[Renesis Rotary]

i just drove from pottsville to pittsburg and back( for the pittsburg vs ravens game) and averaged 38.8 mpg. if the speed limit was 55 i was doing about 57, if the speed limit was 65 i was doing about 67. cruise on the entire way. with the amount of driving in traffic and in the city i did i dont think 38.8mpg is bad at all.

i had 29k miles when i registered my mileage and will be getting about $250 reimbursed. which in my opinion is awesome. thats 5 FREE tanks of gas.

I'm still bitter about the Steelers loss to the Ravens....My reimbursement is about $40. Had about 9300mi on the clock when i got my mileage verified at the dealer....lol. Cruise control does wonders for MPG...Its difficult to maintain constant throttle pressure for long periods of time manually. I use cruise control on long highway trips and i can see the difference.

[Imprez]

With no traffic and straight through cruise control I averaged a measly 27.9 which is one-tenth lower than the newly revised "combined" estimate for the VT and 6.1 MPG lower than the "corrected" Highway estimate.

Change your fuel.

Try ethanol-free fuel if you can, you'll see a big improvement.

[RayT2]

so you broke the car in the first week?

Wow, I didn't get the improved mileage till after about 1500 miles.

"so you broke the car in the first week"

roflmao............

[dianebrat]

so you broke the car in the first week?

"so you broke the car in the first week"

roflmao............

OT but appropriate:
20 Images That Prove Grammar and Punctuation Are Important | Pleated-Jeans.com
personal favorite to save a life:
Let's eat Grandpa.
vs.
Let's eat, Grandpa.

[milo]

OT but appropriate:
20 Images That Prove Grammar and Punctuation Are Important | Pleated-Jeans.com
personal favorite to save a life:
Let's eat Grandpa.
vs.
Let's eat, Grandpa.

lol.

Sorry, I get irked by people wanting to sue. I didn't stop and proofread.

[Dawgfan]

Change your fuel.

Try ethanol-free fuel if you can, you'll see a big improvement.

Would love to, but I live in the heart of Corn country :-) The closest ethanol-free station is a 38 mile round trip to fill the tank and the gas is ~$.15/gallon more expensive. Doing the math I would have to get an improvement somewhere on the order of 4+ MPG just to break even on the deal.

[Dawgfan]

Sorry to interleave, but it is just easier to address your points in this manner.

Turn off ECO. It's worthless, and often results in poorer fuel economy if you don't drive perfectly. I have tested a variety of situations over several weeks with and attempt to limit my driving to just the commute to/from work and eliminate as much variability as possible. Made runs with ECO on all week, ECO off all week, with both Premium and Regular grade fuel....all resulted in very small actual variations in MPG, Second--I really am sorry that you're getting cruddy gas mileage. That being said, the car is capable of doing what you want it to do. There's no reason you should be getting that terrible mileage if you never kick in your turbo. The ECO might be the problem. Or you might need to fine-tune your shifting. I have the Auto so during my "test" phases, the ECU is making all the shifting decisions Third--unless you drive both the Mazda Speed and the Veloster and directly compare them, you can't compare fuel economy between them. I have done that...hence the mileage comparisons that I posted Two different driving styles--shifting, acceleration, etc. It may be that you'd get as cruddy mileage on the Speed. Nothing to write home about, but it was as advertised and not 5MPG under the window sticker Or, it could be the ECO. Fourth--the Mazda 3 sucks. Tin box on crappy wheels. Don't be fooled. You might be able to drive it like you stole it, but if you like a ride that doesn't feel like a railroad car, you're not missing anything. Finally--how fast were you going on your open road fuel test trip? If it was over 50 mph, expect to get lower fuel economy. If you had a head or crosswind of more than 10 mph, expect to get lower fuel economy. If you put it on cruise and had any significantly hilly areas, expect to get lower fuel economy. Any one or a combination of these things adds up to lower fuel economy. Agreed, but consider the fact that with the same driver and similar conditions/speeds/etc, I consistently got WAY over the estimates in my Sonata and always spot on or maybe a little over with my Expedition and previous vehicles. If anything, I drive less aggressively now because I am trying my level best eek out improvements. On trips to GA with the Sonata I routinely set the cruise at 76 mph and still got 34-35MPG out of a car rated at 30 on the highway. On the trip to Chicago in the VT I set the cruise at 65 with a significant headwind going and a tailwind coming back. Results were 27.7 out and 27.9 back. I'd buy the driving style as a possibility if I was spooling up the turbo at every stop light like Mario Andretti, but that just isn't happening. For a 1-2 MPG difference I doubt that most of us would have looked elsewhere but if it was known to be a 5-10MPG difference?.....who knows? I've made a few trips to Sioux Falls, SD from Minneapolis. With low/no wind and averaging 60-65 mph on the highway, I can easily get 36-37 mpg (no, it's not 40 mpg, but I'm not going 50 mph). With a 25-30 mph crosswind or headwind (far too common--one of the reasons I hate making trips to SD), I'm lucky to hit 30-33 mpg. On the other hand, my boyfriend and I packed my V FULL of camping stuff and headed to north central Nebraska, where the terrain is QUITE hilly, averaging 70+ mph on the highways, with a crosswind that I estimated to be a pretty steady 30 mph, and we still got 30.5 mpg. I always calculate by hand, too, so no computer error.

[Votum]

So you guys aren't going to tell anyone how to join the class action?

I personally would have bought the turbo if the real sticker would have been on the NAV. The turbo I was looking at cost 300 more than the NAV I bought, and since the turbo is not affected by this it would have brought the MPG of each car close enough to eachother to justify buying the turbo model, so I would like to see how this pans out, If I can trade in my NAV for a turbo without taking a large loss I would love that.

[milo]

Sorry Votum. Most of us will help. Just not to be an asswipe and be part of a class action stupid lawsuit.

[MTD]

So you guys aren't going to tell anyone how to join the class action?

I personally would have bought the turbo if the real sticker would have been on the NAV. The turbo I was looking at cost 300 more than the NAV I bought, and since the turbo is not affected by this it would have brought the MPG of each car close enough to eachother to justify buying the turbo model, so I would like to see how this pans out, If I can trade in my NAV for a turbo without taking a large loss I would love that.

No idea on how to join. All 11 odd pages of this thread and I dont think its ever been mentioned. Im sure a google search might point you to the law firm in charge of the whole thing.

I was actually thinking of creating a thread just for those that are participating in it.

[BayEagle]

Does anybody know that last day/date you can go in and get reimbursed? Because the more miles I have in my V the bigger the reimbursement.

Thanks


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[jkt1954]

Does anybody know that last day/date you can go in and get reimbursed? Because the more miles I have in my V the bigger the reimbursement.

Thanks


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You have to register -- there is no "last day" and the debit card you receive is renewable for the life of ownership. It is obvious more miles equals more reimbursement.

As to class action suit -- you don't need to do anything. If someone files a lawsuit and wants to make it class action you will be notified and asked if you want to join or not.

[Vgirl84]

Does anybody know that last day/date you can go in and get reimbursed? Because the more miles I have in my V the bigger the reimbursement.

Thanks


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I received a letter from Hyundai today explaining the debit card and it said I can register anytime within 1 year of the letter date. If I register after that, I guess I forfeit. It seems that you get reimbursements on the card as long as you own the car?

This makes the second class action check/reimbursement this month that's just shown up in my mailbox. Haha. Crazy...


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[BluMeanie]

I'm amused by all of the people going from "I love the car!" to "I never would have bought it" over 1-2mpg. I'm sure what you did was look at window stickers and buy the car sight unseen. Right? Riiiiiiiiiight?

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