Class Action Suit Against Hyundai filed November 4

[Dawgfan]

You bring very good arguments

I'm also seeing a slight increase since I installed my 15 inchers .... Lighter unsprung weight is the way to go

Have you compared outside diameter of the tires between the OEM and the 15 inchers to verify that they are the same size? While unsprung weight will likely help fuel economy, a smaller outside diameter on the rolling stock will not.....But it will make your mileage read a tad higher than they actually are due to a false reading on the computer which is measuring wheel revolutions to compute mileage. (Smaller OD tire will turn more revolutions over a given distance than will that of a larger OD tire)

[Imprez]

Have you compared outside diameter of the tires between the OEM and the 15 inchers to verify that they are the same size? While unsprung weight will likely help fuel economy, a smaller outside diameter on the rolling stock will not.....But it will make your mileage read a tad higher than they actually are due to a false reading on the computer which is measuring wheel revolutions to compute mileage. (Smaller OD tire will turn more revolutions over a given distance than will that of a larger OD tire)

Yep mate, all taken into account.

My stockers are 215-45-17's wich have a diameter of 24.6 inches with a circumference of 77.3 inches and my winter tires are 195-65-15's wich have a diameter of 25 inches and a circumference 78.5 inches.
With my winter set-up my speedometer's reading is 1.5 % too slow wich means that when it reads 60 mph I'm actually going at 60.9 mph...

[ADWheelerPhoto]

I have put 20,000 miles on my veloster since June, is this something that I should look into? I have not heard anything on it.

[EdsVeloster]

Some may disagree with my point of view.....TOUGH.
I LOVE my car. I am happy with my service, dealership and Hyundai. How far off were the estimates? I commute 108 miles round trip each day, I get a fantastic average of 40 mpg if I keep to the speed limit. I am grateful that my money bought such a car and would NOT participate in a law suit that will make some lawyers rich over 2, 3 or 4 mpg mistake on the estimates. I am happy with the fact that they are compensating us. This is not aimed at anyone in anger, but just wanted to get this off my chest. Thank goodness we can express our opinions freely and I begrudge no one for their opposing opinion. I acknowledge every one of us I see on the road and feel a slight bond with other V owners. Happy Holidays! Ed

[murray13]

For those out there that want to complain about not getting an extra 2 miles per gallon, I ask you this how much is not getting 2 mpg going to cost you and is it really a big freakin deal. Where else will you be able to get a car that stands out, runs for 200k + miles and will get good gas mileage. So for those that want to join the suit sell your V and get a cookie cutter econobox

[Curmudgeon]

[QUOTE=derekjeterkid2;146765]Timeout everyone, the bottom line is that for those of us who purchased this car for a easily attainable 40 mpg... Are very disappointed!! [QUOTE]

Your disappointment is noted. But also noted is your failure to comprehend that the EPA highway estimate is based on an average speed of 48.3 mph with a brief 60 mph maximum over a total distance of 10 miles.

Wait...so the car is rated for a MAXIMUM of 40 mpg, and you thought that should be "easily attainable?" And you can and do achieve 40 mpg if you run the car the same way it's run when it's tested? No...you were not lied to. You were expecting to get the optimum fuel economy under non-optimal conditions.

Repeat after ghostdragon: You were expecting to get the optimum fuel economy under non-optimal conditions.

The Monroney sticker for my DCT says: "Highway MPG 38 Expected range for most drivers 31 to 45 MPG"

I fail to see any EPA statement about any "easily attainable" MPGs. Surely your V attains 31-45 MPG at the EPA's highway test average of 48.3 mph. Do you not understand the EPA test procedures and the meaning of "EPA Fuel Economy Estimates" on the Monroney sticker when you purchase your vehicles?

[V529]

I'm getting over $160, have over 19K miles. I still love the car and think Hyundai did the right thing.

[BluMeanie]

I have put 20,000 miles on my veloster since June, is this something that I should look into? I have not heard anything on it.

Don't Panic when I tell you this but...... Your Veloster MAY not be able to get 40mpg, even if you are actually GETTING 40mpg.....

You should Sue Immediately for Pain and Suffering, before all teh Moneys is Gone.

[BluMeanie]

Whoops! Too Late!

Hyundai just gave your $42-Gajillion Dollaz to some Blood-Sucking Lawyer....

[Kathee]

I have over 25,000 miles and i Live in California. Checked out the payout for me - $244!
I LOVE my V and will not sell it. I have gotten very good gas mileage with, well over 40mpg when on long trips.

[Kitsune Hazard]

Wow, I get people are upset over this but really? Lawsuit? Please...

Typically I'm getting anywhere from 32-35mpg on a 20mile roundtrip on country back roads, lots of elevation changes, curves, tractors, slow drivers, etc...on longer trips?

Pittsburgh to Atlantic City: 37.1mpg (doing about 70-80mph, dealing with lots of elevation changes and stop and go traffic in Philadelphia)
Atlantic City to Pittsburgh: 38.3mpg (same conditions as above)
Pittsburgh to Williamsburg, VA: 34mpg (mixed roads, lots of mountains in WV, horrible rain and more traffic outside of Richmond)
Williamsburg to Pittsburgh: 41.5 (mixed roads, going "uphill" in WV)
Pittsburgh to Nashville: 34.5 (fully loaded for a convention, 75-80mph, lots of rolling hills)
Nashville to Pittsburgh: 33.2 (full loaded, going "uphill" again in Eastern TN and WV, dealing with rain and other mess from Sandy)


I'm also riding on 18's so that will lower things a bit as well and with the DCT. That said, just like I would in a manual, I know when to shift for power and when not to. I also don't have a lead foot, though even when I do have some, I have a hard time dropping it under too much. For the most part, I'm extremely happy with the results and I'm right in the sweet spot, even with about 400-600lbs of extra weight in the car.

I was quoted as getting about $55, have had the car since Aug 27th and have just about 6000 miles on it. That's a tank of gas, or a night in a hotel on my next trip. Knowing that I drive about 15,000 miles a year? Yeah...I'll take the settlement they've offered me without a problem as that's at least $125 a year (few bottles of rum, 3 tanks of gas, etc). Mind you they're going to reassess the mileage every year and adjust what you get...for as long as you own the car. Not too shabby.

[Imprez]

Where else will you be able to get a car that stands out, runs for 200k + miles and will get good gas mileage.

Well we don't know if it'll run for 200 000 miles but I get your point

[Edrox]

So, can anyone tell me how to join the lawsuit? Personally I feel that being compensated for the miles I've already driven does nothing to compensate me for the miles I've yet to drive. I love my car and have absolutely no plans to get rid of it. So, what about the 200K miles I will probably put on the car? $55 (my estimate) is about a tank and a half of gas, not much when you consider how much I'll drive in the future.

[Vinvin]

$213 is what i got. Have the car since Feb of this year. Got about 25K on it already. i think its a fair amount.

[DasAlbatross]

So, can anyone tell me how to join the lawsuit? Personally I feel that being compensated for the miles I've already driven does nothing to compensate me for the miles I've yet to drive. I love my car and have absolutely no plans to get rid of it. So, what about the 200K miles I will probably put on the car? $55 (my estimate) is about a tank and a half of gas, not much when you consider how much I'll drive in the future.

You keep getting money as long as you own the car. It's really pretty simple.

I'm amused by all of the people going from "I love the car!" to "I never would have bought it" over 1-2mpg. I'm sure what you did was look at window stickers and buy the car sight unseen. Right? Riiiiiiiiiight?

I'm sure you also all got the stated mpg on every car before this one. I think the owners of those cars that get more than the stated mpg should sue too! They're losing money because the value would be higher if it was right! Basically there should be a lawsuit for every make and model of car.

[Ornish]

I'm not being sarcastic at all when I ask this, so I would appreciate a solid answer that doesn't insult me too much...

But if someone feels wronged by Hyundai (for whatever reason) and wants to discuss it, how does that directly effect other hyundai owners that don't feel wronged? Will the potential class action suit take away the payments that Hyundai has voluntarily set aside for owners? Or is there something else that I'm just missing?

Also, is there a place where Veloster owners that do feel wronged can get together and chat about the situation in an online setting?

Please keep in mind that these are honest questions so try to refrain from being overly mean...if possible.

[DasAlbatross]

I'm not being sarcastic at all when I ask this, so I would appreciate a solid answer that doesn't insult me too much...

But if someone feels wronged by Hyundai (for whatever reason) and wants to discuss it, how does that directly effect other hyundai owners that don't feel wronged? Will the potential class action suit take away the payments that Hyundai has voluntarily set aside for owners? Or is there something else that I'm just missing?

Also, is there a place where Veloster owners that do feel wronged can get together and chat about the situation in an online setting?

Please keep in mind that these are honest questions so try to refrain from being overly mean...if possible.

People feel that the reasons people feel "wronged" by Hyundai are silly. They don't take them seriously so they're not going to take people seriously that are giving those reasons. Just like you probably wouldn't take someone seriously that was suing because McDonald's made them fat.

Does it affect other Hyundai owners? Absolutely. Hyundai has to spend money on the lawsuit that could have been spent elsewhere. The company isn't a magic money machine where they can spend as much as they want on R&D, Quality, and warranty service while spending money defending a lawsuit. Also, Hyundai will probably be less likely to try to make things right on their own if they're going to get sued anyways. Might as well just fight it out in court if they're going to incur that expense anyways.

So you want to have a pity party only with people that agree with you because you think that people that don't agree with you are mean jerks? That's not really a good way to go through life. The only reason I see people doing that is if they realize they can't justify their position. Better to listen to what others have to say and try to consider their views.

[Dawgfan]

I'm amused by all of the people going from "I love the car!" to "I never would have bought it" over 1-2mpg. I'm sure what you did was look at window stickers and buy the car sight unseen. Right? Riiiiiiiiiight?

Caveat....I am am firmly in the anti-class action camp as it will only truly benefit the lawyers on both sides, the consumer will get nada in the end.

That being said, when shopping the VTurbo, I was considering several other brands that had significant HP and grin factor advantages over the VT but passed due to the advertised 5MPG difference on combined between the VT with a 30-70% mix of city/hwy (and the city portion is really suburbs/rural not true stop and go city) versus the others. As it turns out, my VT is averaging the same as my neighbor's MazdaSpeed 3 (24-25MPG hand calculated weekly) with him driving it like he stole it and me running around in the ECO setting and accelerating like a grandma. If I jump on it for a short blast or 2 during the week, my MPG dips down to 20-21. To me a 5-10MPG difference between advertised and reality is justification to be a little pissy especially when I rarely put the turbo to any use and the reimbursement is for only 1 MPG so I am being reimbursed for only 10%-20% of my additional fuel cost due to their "error". (For those that say it is all driver, please read the next section before pushing me down that particular rabbit hole.

I'm sure you also all got the stated mpg on every car before this one.

Actually, I have. Nearly 50 years old here and have met or exceeded (sometimes by a lot) the EPA estimates on every new car I have owned with zero exceptions. To add more, this is my second new Hyundai. My first was a 2006 Sonata LX with the 3.3L v6 (220+HP) and auto. Advertised EPA estimates were 20/30 with a combined of 25. Along the same commute that I take now over the previous 18 months I averaged 27.5 MPG in the bigger/heavier Sonata. On road trips I typically got 34-35 MPG (versus the EPA advertised estimate of 30). On my one and only road trip thus far with the VT, I took care to fill up just outside of Indy and again before I hit Chicago so that I could get a feel for "open highway" MPG. With no traffic and straight through cruise control I averaged a measly 27.9 which is one-tenth lower than the newly revised "combined" estimate for the VT and 6.1 MPG lower than the "corrected" Highway estimate.

[ghostndragon]

Does it affect other Hyundai owners? Absolutely. Hyundai has to spend money on the lawsuit that could have been spent elsewhere. The company isn't a magic money machine where they can spend as much as they want on R&D, Quality, and warranty service while spending money defending a lawsuit. Also, Hyundai will probably be less likely to try to make things right on their own if they're going to get sued anyways. Might as well just fight it out in court if they're going to incur that expense anyways.

This exactly. As a practical matter, I am being offered money FOR THE REST OF MY CAR'S LIFE WITH ME for something that isn't dangerous, and is only a minor issue. Even if that 1-2 mpg would have kept you from purchasing the car, ask yourself why. Was it the cost of the fuel? If yes, then this remedy moots that concern. If it's because you want to save the environment--well, you should probably have made a different choice by purchasing something that gets more like 50 mpg, or take the bus, or whatever. If you got a Veloster rather than one of the other cars in the same price range and fuel efficiency range, it was because the Veloster provided something else you wanted...

As a separate matter--YES! Silly lawsuits are silly and DO hurt other owners. I have a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty. In 10 years, if the yahoos that smell blood/money in the water over this MINOR change in fuel efficiency extract enough money, my warranty will be of some question. If that happens, believe me, I will want to hunt down some ass to kick.

[DasAlbatross]

So if it was only 3MPG more you would have said no sir? And what were these brands you were considering? Because I'm guessing for more hp and more grin they were also more expensive.

On the actual mpg being more, congratulations. You are a freak of nature

You are literally the only person I've ever had a discussion with who could say that. Especially considering before the new EPA guidelines went into place the numbers were grossly inflated, which is the reason for the new guidelines in the first place. Those numbers were considered to be impossible to achieve under real driving conditions. I'd be interested to hear what your driving habits are to beat the system. Also, what do you think the survey results would be if you polled 10,000 people as to if they got more, less or the same as MPG estimates?