Can you Disable the "Vehicle Stability Managment" on the Veloster Turbo?

[CrazySte]

HI EVERYBODY,
i am in the process of starting to go around and going to dealers to find a good price on a Hyundai Veloster Turbo, BUT there is a key thing that i need to know, as i never have, and never will, purchase a Sport Car that has an Electronic Stability Control System that can not be disengaged.

In the past, when i purchased other Vehicles that didn't have this feature, i requested the Dealer to simply disconnect the VSM Box... i don't care for the yellow light.

I was wondering if when i will start going around dealers i will have to ask them to do so, or if the car as a Button that i can press by and simply turn off that thing that i hate.

I now some people might be against me, but i am a very pro-active driver, and in the past i had a quite bad experience while driving a car that i was not aware it had such system... so, to make it simple: "my drive style is not compatible with Electronic Stability Control systems" so either i have a way to get rid of it, or i will look for a different car.

THANKS FOR THE INFO

[gt800]

Theres a button on the dash to turn it off. I don't blame you. I turn it iff every time i get in both my cars.

[elecblue06]

Theres a button on the dash to turn it off. I don't blame you. I turn it iff every time i get in both my cars.

I believe thats just traction control... I don't believe that there is the ability to completely turn off "stabilitrak" or whatever it's called in this car.. that being said.. I'm sure it's HIGHly illegal for the dealers to be disconnecting a factory safety feature.. not to mention if your insurance found out theres a good chance you would be dropped in the event of an accident. Also before nixing a car I would test drive it to see if that particular cars esc is a problem for you.. I find the VT's to be very unintrusive.. however I have a manual.. people with autos have reported differently

that also being said.. a tune will give you the ability to reduce.. or tune it of the "proper" way

most .. if not all new cars will have some form of stabilitrak or esc

[stevendm]

I am curious. How is your driving style not compatible with Electronic Stability Control?

[Ghost]

I am curious. How is your driving style not compatible with Electronic Stability Control?

LOL, I am curious about this too and I also want to hear the storey of your "bad experience".

[gt800]

I believe thats just traction control... I don't believe that there is the ability to completely turn off "stabilitrak" or whatever it's called in this car.. that being said.. I'm sure it's HIGHly illegal for the dealers to be disconnecting a factory safety feature.. not to mention if your insurance found out theres a good chance you would be dropped in the event of an accident. Also before nixing a car I would test drive it to see if that particular cars esc is a problem for you.. I find the VT's to be very unintrusive.. however I have a manual.. people with autos have reported differently

that also being said.. a tune will give you the ability to reduce.. or tune it of the "proper" way

most .. if not all new cars will have some form of stabilitrak or esc

Umm you may be right. I thought the button said esc on it.

[MTD]

Pressing the button only disables the traction control. The stability control and abs stay on. Only theGenesis has the ability to turn them all off. I have and it's gets real hairy real fast lol.

[Darken]

Ok I may feel like a fool later when I get out to my car, but where is the traction control 'button' on the VT? I only recall seeing a Eco Button and dimmer switch on mine.

[MTD]

Should be beside the dimmer control.

[gt800]

Mine is above the passenger heated seat button

[MTD]

Which is where lol? In Canada, the ESC button is to the led of the steering wheel down where the dimmer and 12v switch is. The seat heater button are on the central stack on either side of the push button start.

[gt800]

Thats where my heated seat buttons are to.

[Rasagul]

on mine it's on the passanger side above the button to turn on thaq passanger heated seat.

[CrazySte]

I am curious. How is your driving style not compatible with Electronic Stability Control?

LOL, I am curious about this too and I also want to hear the storey of your "bad experience".

Well, if i want to say it the simple way i can say: i like to let the Car slide every once in a while... and a lot of times i make the car lose traction to just correct an eventual bad line.

I know... on the street you are not supposed to do that, but i have been driving for 12 years now, and this is how i have been doing it since.

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As far as my bad experience, it happened still when i used to live in Italy, shortly before i moved to the US... i was working for a company that had 2 company cars for trips here and there, actually they were a Ford Fiesta and a Ford Focus.

So one day i was on the Ford Focus, and i was driving on this nice a curvy road that i knew very very well, so i started getting on it, but the fun lasted only for the 1st 2 turns...

I knew that between the first 2 turns, a Right and Left that i usually get around 50-60mph, there is always a patch of Gravel caused by a new by cave that transports gravel there.

SO, my game is the one of doing the first turn not too fast, but while gaining speed a lot, then catching the patch while releasing the throttle for less than a second to unbalance the car forward and let the car fish tail so i can do the second one counter steering all the way... i have done it hundreds of times, and i still do it every time i go back to Italy and drive on that road.

Too bad i was not aware that the Focus i was driving had the ESC, and shame on me for not looking for the button that was behind the steering to disable it.

I did the first turn, released the thrittle while catching the gravel with the outside tires, immediately i started counter steering and the car was fishtailing, but that happened for not even a second then... the ESC engaged, it detected that my tires were turned to the Right, what it didn't understand is that i was indeed turning Left... so BANG, the Car turned abruptly to the Right and i ended up in a Soy Field.

I got lucky... it was flat and i only got stuck on the mud... i had to pay 50 Euros to the farmer to help me pull the car out with the tractor... he was kinda mad for ruining a little part of his cultivation, than i had to go wash the car too... luckily no damages.

Since then i remembered always to disable the ESC.

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But i don't only do this for fun, i also do it as safety , and funny thing but this is something i have been thought during the driving school and is a trick that saved my ass a few times, especially on wet.

You are doing a Curve pretty fast, about at the limit of traction of the Car and all of a sudden there is an Obstacle:

RULE 1: never use the brakes on a Curve... so you need to swerve outside.

RULE 2: every time you turn the steering from side to side the weight shift doubles... so if i am on the limit of traction it's not suggestible to steer outside and then turn again in because the car will for sure get out of balance.

SO... as an example: you are turning to the Right, you are already running at the top speed that your car can handle, and you have about 15% of the Car Weight (average number) shifted towards the outside wheels (AKA Left wheels), if i turn left i will have 30% of the weight shifting to the opposite side (AKA right wheels), then i need to re-close the turn to the Right and... 60% weight shift: the Car spins around, and unless you counter steer and handle it while invading the opposite line, you won't catch it back.

SO, if you are driving a front wheel traction car, when you see the obstacle during your curve, instead of steering outside and shift the weight, you stomp on the throttle and induce Under-Steer by letting the Front tires slip and holding the Steering where is at, then once the obstacle is cleared you gently release the throttle and the car will restart making the curve and you will be able ti tighten it too without having re-shifted the weight, so it will remain much more stable because you have only 15% of the weight to the outside which means that you still have all 4 wheels well planted on the ground.

Believe it or not, this trick saved my ass 3 or 4 times in 12 years that Drivers license and hundreds of thousands of miles driven.
Actually i try to practice doing this several times, especially when it rains so i save tires.

MORAL OF THE STORY
UNTIL THEY INVENT AN ESC SYSTEM THAT UNDERSTAND THESE MANEUVERS I WILL KEEP DISABLING IT


Here you have it... that's why i can't have the VSM active on the Veloster... not just the Traction Control, which is some cases i might use it... i just don't want something that steers for me.

ABS doesn't bother me, that actually helps, Traction Control i need it rarely, but i eventually use it sometimes... Stability Control, it just bothers me and puts me in danger
REGARDS

[SCVeloster]

CrazySTE, Do your cars come with numbers and sponsers already on them or do you have to paint it afterwards? Where I live the way you drive is against the law, You may be able to handle it but others around you may not. That is what they make SCCA for, Just saying.....

[Mingo85]

Here's my two cents, not that anyone would care to know.

There is nothing wrong with having the skills or practicing the skills of being a more skilled driver in various circumstances in the right conditions. On public roads where you can have any range of skill, people who justify any type of driving other than passive safe driving are just inconsiderate, ignorant, arrogant and a danger to the general public. The best way to stay safe for everyone is not putting everyone including themselves in the dangerous position to begin with. I absolutely believe that the driving abilities need to be better tested so that drivers are trained and able to better handle a vehicle in different circumstances but that doesn't mean anyone can take it upon themselves to raise the expectation and circumstances on the road of these skills. Whether it be what it should be, the rules of the road are created at a level that the general public is able to adapt to and meet the expectations of so that every driver understands what it is to expect from the driver beside them, behind them, in front of them and so on.

The process in which decisions are made that govern these traffic laws may not be perfect but the world is generally far better off with them and definitely better off when everyone obeys them.

Driving can be so much fun and I understand the thirst and excitement that comes from it but there is no justification for any of it even if it means risking one life and in every situation on public roads at the bare minimum the driver's life would be at risk so there is always one life at risk. Accidents happen, but in a controlled environment at least that is a moral contract that all parties willfully engage by going to (for example) a track. On the public roads, anything else is just irresponsible.

Canada is known as the polite capital of the world but the reality is in the urban areas the people are just as cold and ruthless as you could imagine in any urban capital but I was surprised that throughout my entire (super long) commute this morning (although slow) we were free of major accidents and a lot of the ignorance that is generally displayed through this type of weather (extreme cold weather alert).

My belief is that the goal isn't just from point "a" to point "b" it is about getting everyone there alive. There is nothing wrong with slowing down and making sure you enter each section at a safe speed, there is nothing wrong with trying to get to work, to home, to your parents, your kids, your loved ones alive. In the end it isn't the dead driver or anyone else the driver kills that has to deal with the tragedy, it is your loved ones that have to deal with it for the rest of their lives.

Anyway, not that anyone would have read my long speech but stay safe out there.

[Victorious Secret]

So you don't like ESC because it prevents you from driving like a moron on public roads?

ESC works for almost everyone because we don't drive like F1 drivers on the road...keep that **** for the track.

As people have said, the ESC systems in the NAV and VT do not prevent too much and for the VT a tune will make things even better.

I've experienced full traction/stability off in a lot of cars. Why anyone would willingly CHOSE to drive like that on public roads baffles me.




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[elecblue06]

I'd say try it out the esc before you poo poo it ..

[MTD]

because racecar ?

[elecblue06]

because racecar ?

because stig lol